Episode 47: How Failure Builds Confidence & Trust with Lindsay Arias
No one likes to fail. It feels uncomfortable and can be embarrassing. But failure also puts us in positions to grow. When we embrace failure, it allows us to build confidence.
This week, fitness trainer Lindsay Arias and I delve into the incredible power of failure and how it fuels confidence, both within and beyond the gym.
In this episode, we are discussing:
Building confidence through fitness
Recognizing the difference between fatigue and failure
Creating a nurturing support network
Unlocking leadership through vulnerability
Full Transcript:
[00:00:00] Today on the podcast, I'm interviewing my own fitness trainer, Lindsey Arias about failure. And how failure is the secret to success? Both in the gym and in our lives. And careers. Lindsey is a fitness trainer and the head of training at burn boot camp, Cary and chapel hill, North Carolina. She is married to another fitness trainer, Steven and a mother to two beautiful babies, Sebastian and Sienna. Lindsey has always had a passion for helping people and directed that passion through fitness. More than that though.
[00:00:29] Lindsay truly feels like her calling is to take her love for fitness and use it as a way to connect with anyone. She comes into contact with human connection is one of the most powerful things we can create. And Lindsay loves being able to connect with people of all ages, sizes, colors, and cultures through the community.
[00:00:44] She and her team have built within the burn nation. We cover a lot of ground in this conversation, everything from vulnerability, having the right people at your table to building confidence and moving through that fear of failure. So let's get into that interview.
[00:01:01] Nicole Case: Welcome back to the upgraded leader podcast, where we talk about all things, managing up, building relationships, leading our teams, personal brands, setting goals, honoring our bodies and succeeding in our careers on our terms. I'm your host, Nicole case. And today I'm joined by my friend and fitness trainer, Lindsay Arias .
[00:01:17] Nicole Case: And we are talking about. Failure, which I'm sure a shutter just went through the collective audience full of driven and ed and ambitious people who don't enjoy failure. But first, before we get into all of that goodness, Lindsay, thank you so much for being
[00:01:32] Lindsay Arias: here. Hey, you guys. I'm so excited to be here.
[00:01:34] Lindsay Arias: Nicole. Thanks so much for having me.
[00:01:35] Nicole Case: Yeah. Yeah. So before we get into like all things, failure, great positive, um, topic for today. No, it totally is. So please don't, don't leave just yet. Um, but first just tell us about your career journey. How did you end up being here or becoming a head trainer for two gyms?
[00:01:53] Nicole Case: Just like kind of tell us all about you.
[00:01:55] Lindsay Arias: Sure. Um, gosh, I, it's almost embarrassing to say how many years I'm in the fitness industry now cause it's aging myself. Um, by no means do I think I'm old by the way, it's just, time goes by. So I went to school for this. I'm 1 of the very rare people that knew exactly what they wanted to do.
[00:02:10] Lindsay Arias: And I followed my school path and it spit me out as a personal trainer, which anybody out there that's listening. That's ever dove into the personal training world. Fresh out of college. You can imagine. What my first couple of years looked like, um, and I grinded it out and you know, the early mornings, the late nights and the millions of clients and all the relationships and the experience, it's all positive looking back on it now.
[00:02:34] Lindsay Arias: Right. Um, where I found burn was, uh, one of my. Uh, college friends did his internship through burn, uh, when they were, I mean, barely out of a parking lot, they had just gotten their first physical building. And so, uh, the first set of franchises was coming to our area in Raleigh, Durham, and he called me and said, Hey, lens, this is meant for you.
[00:02:58] Lindsay Arias: I need you to get in touch with Beth Williams. Shout out to Beth RFP. Um, and you gotta do this thing. It's coming to you. You're the perfect fit. And so I did my research and I called him back and I said, I'm not interested, which sounds crazy. Um, I can't even, I tell our members this because I like to be very transparent and open and honest, but at the time it was marketed as female only, and the only reason I wasn't interested was strictly from past experiences of anything female only.
[00:03:28] Lindsay Arias: I didn't have great ones at the time when I was so young. And so I feel okay sharing that now because of everything that we've built at these two gyms, because my preconception of. Women only workouts were things like, and this is no hate to the program, but like curves, I'm sure you've heard of curves.
[00:03:46] Lindsay Arias: Yeah. Oh
[00:03:46] Nicole Case: gosh. Yes. My grandmother did curves for years.
[00:03:49] Lindsay Arias: Yes. And it's the perfect fit for somebody, but it would not have been the perfect fit for me. And that's all I had. And he, my friend, Daniel Ballard, again, another shout out to the burn. Oh geez. But it was like, come to Charlotte. See the dang thing. I promise you this is and I saw one workout and I was like, sign me up.
[00:04:05] Lindsay Arias: How do I join? Um, and then we've been here ever since we opened burn carry in 2016. um, so almost 8 years in April. It'll be 8 years, which is bananas. And since then I've roped in my husband. He's now the head trainer for the Chapel Hill location, which I now manage as well. So lots of in betweens and everything that I just told you, but the important highlights is that I found burn and burn found me and it has been epically life changing since then.
[00:04:32] Lindsay Arias: Yeah, I would, I
[00:04:33] Nicole Case: would totally agree with that. So I, so in case people are wondering, we're talking about burn bootcamp. So there are hundreds of hundreds of shops, like all over the country. So there's likely one where you live, if you're not local to the Raleigh, Durham, North Carolina area. I had several friends who were part of, part of burn for, you know, from the beginning.
[00:04:58] Nicole Case: And they're like, Nicole, you'd love this place. You'd love this place. It's female forward, which is what I, like, I even talk about my own business that it's female forward. It's I'm not female exclusive. I have, I have some male clients and they're awesome and amazing. Um, but they're like, Nicole, I think you're totally going to love this place.
[00:05:14] Nicole Case: And I'm like, I don't know, boot camp. That sounds very scary and intimidating. I'm like, I don't know about this. And, um, and they're like, Nicole, you just got to try it out. Got to try it out. And I was like, all right, fine. So I decided to come to a Saturday camp at like 9 a. m. And I was like, okay, so. I'm going to go early to like, fill out the waiver forms and all of this stuff.
[00:05:34] Nicole Case: And there was a camp ending right before it. And if anybody who knows me and on this podcast, I have shared, I am not a fan of running. I'm not a runner. I don't enjoy it. It's not my jam. I have lots of friends who are runners who are marathoners and they are crazy, but I still love them, but I'm not a runner.
[00:05:51] Nicole Case: And I was like a little bit nervous. I was like bootcamp. That sounds like I'm just going to be running the mile, like the presidential fitness. Test or something like that, which I have like traumatic memories of. Um, if you want a good podcast about that, go listen to the maintenance phase podcast episode on the presidential fitness, physical fitness test.
[00:06:08] Nicole Case: It's a good one. But I remember pulling in to the parking lot at like eight 40 in the morning on a Saturday. And I see this woman with. Bright blonde hair and all of these people running in the parking lot. And so I knew, I was like, that is what they call the finisher. They are finishing with running outside.
[00:06:33] Nicole Case: Nope. And I drove away. It was like, no, thank you. I drove away and did not come back for a month. Oh my god, I
[00:06:41] Lindsay Arias: don't know if I knew that.
[00:06:43] Nicole Case: So, um, yeah. So yeah, I pulled in the parking lot, saw you and everyone running outside during the finisher, which again, if you're not familiar with burn, that is the last thing that we end with.
[00:06:52] Nicole Case: And I'm like, you went all camp and then ran outside. I was like, nope, nope, hard pass. So I drove away, didn't even get out of the car. I just drove away, but I came back a month later, um, speaking of failure, like, so like I drove away and then came back a month later and, um, and one of my friends were there and I told her, I told her this, I was like, Listen, Jenny, like I, I like ran away last time, scared and I was like, you know, it just, you know, do we run, do we run all the time?
[00:07:19] Nicole Case: And she goes, um, occasionally. And then what, what did we first do? All right, run to the 4th tree. I'm like, oh, warm up lap. Warm up lap. I was like, lovely. Um, anyway, but, but since that time though, that was 2018 since that time. Um, Just found just awesome community such body positivity. I remember 1 of the 1st camps.
[00:07:43] Nicole Case: I also took with you lens. I remember we were running outside because good God. And I remember you said something about, like, we, like, had a race of some kind, like, you're like, okay, 1st group race to, like, this tree and back and you were like, if you don't get back here in, like, so many seconds, I'm going to make you run it again.
[00:08:00] Nicole Case: And, like, you went. And then you said, go and they, and the 1st group started running and you turned around and looked at the rest of you're like, ha, ha, I would never use exercise as a punishment. It's like, oh, yeah, I totally belong here. So, um, so anyway, so just to kind of the, to start us all off, if you're suspect of having a personal trainer on my podcast, like.
[00:08:23] Nicole Case: No, we, we're, we're here to talk about things that are healthy and positive and moving your body in the way that, that you want to move. But, but actually today we're not, we're, we're actually talking about, um, failure in the sense of failure. Yes, at the gym, but failure also just in life and how this whole interview came about was that something that you do, Lindsay on Fridays when you are training is the Friday reflections.
[00:08:52] Nicole Case: So that this was kind of the inspiration for this because you've, you, you've done these Friday, Friday reflections for years and, um, you've talked about failure during, during those, during those sessions as well. But I would, I'm just curious, like, how did you come up with Friday reflections? What made you start doing those?
[00:09:09] Nicole Case: And what's kind of the purpose of them? Yeah.
[00:09:12] Lindsay Arias: Yeah. Um, I've been doing them pretty much since burn boot camps, inception and carry, um, what I was really trying to portray to people and convey. Was that what we were doing this journey that we were all embarking on because keep in mind I have just turned 25 when we opened the gym And so I think a lot of times people make the confusion like oh, I'm a female So I'm gonna be able to relate to any female that walks in the gym Where just kind of like your experience, right?
[00:09:39] Lindsay Arias: You see this loud blonde like Crazy person. Like you might not feel like you can relate to me on the surface. And I think human connection is so important to me. Um, and it's such a huge part of what I believe to be the most healthy way to approach fitness and health and nutrition and overall wellness.
[00:09:55] Lindsay Arias: And so what I use Friday reflection for was a couple of things. One, I know for me, especially in that phase of life, well now gosh, different phases of life, everyone needs a moment where they can dedicate to just being present and not. Needed by somebody or onto their next scheduled thing. And sometimes it really does feel like the first time that I've breathed all week is when I do these Friday reflections.
[00:10:17] Lindsay Arias: And so I wanted to give people the space to do that. When I decided to take it from more of just like a moment, moment of silence, if you will, into a, uh, a conversation or a topic of some sort is I wanted to make sure that even if it was only one or two people at every single camp, but people felt. Seen and heard and had a safe space to be emotional about the things that were going on in their life.
[00:10:42] Lindsay Arias: Um, gyms aren't always that place for people. Sometimes it's the last place that they want to, but I wanted to make sure that everyone knew that. Yeah, they were coming in for a really hard workout, but they were also coming into a place and a space that they could be. Vulnerable and real and raw and honestly, the inspiration for my to Friday reflections.
[00:11:02] Lindsay Arias: It's different every week. Sometimes it's a conversation with a member who I obviously would never disclose who it was with, but that inspired like a conversation that maybe lots of people want to have, but they're. Too scared to, or maybe I read a really cool Instagram post and it like hit me in the feels.
[00:11:18] Lindsay Arias: And so I'm like, maybe someone else would, you know, resonate with. And so I wanted to make sure that I made as many human connections as possible, both on and off the floor. And it was, um. Kind of transformative. It's kind of something that has just really just stayed with people and people look forward to.
[00:11:37] Lindsay Arias: And I've even done in the Chapel Hill gym and they're like, dang, we didn't know you guys were doing this and carry. But I've gotten so many really cool reactions. And I say, at the beginning of every, every Friday reflection, I'm like, listen, if you need 90 seconds to just like. Exists it's okay if you ignore everything that comes out of my mouth right now, like have your space, but also I feel like maybe since I've heard this message 10 times this week, maybe it's something we all need to talk about.
[00:12:02] Lindsay Arias: Yeah, and we've done them every Friday sense, at least when I'm in the gyms and on the floor. And so I'm hoping to use social media as a way to push that down more. But, um, yeah, it's just a way to connect and to let people know that, like, it's okay. Whatever, it's okay to cry. It's okay to be angry. It's okay to disagree, whatever the topic is, but it's just
[00:12:24] Nicole Case: okay.
[00:12:25] Nicole Case: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I can't, I mean, I can't tell you how many times I'm over there crying in the middle of a Friday reflection. Um, but it's, but I think you're right. I think it's. you, I, I feel, I feel this with my clients too, that like, I'll hear like a theme over and over again. I'll hear like some, somebody struggling with a particular thing and it just like resonates with me.
[00:12:45] Nicole Case: And so like, that's how sometimes these podcasts, you know, episodes come about or my social media posts come about, or just a training like comes up because a client that I'm working with is going through something or, you know, or I'm hearing a theme from other people and I'm like, I feel like other people.
[00:13:02] Nicole Case: Could probably, could probably use this right now. Um, and, and so again, like how this whole topic has come up, like I've, I've heard you talk about this idea of failure and when we're at the gym, there's a lot of different ways that we might, you might structure a workout and, you know, whether it's like for time or for a certain amount of reps, but I know that I walk away.
[00:13:24] Nicole Case: When with feeling like I've had the best workout, whenever the structure is, we're going to failure today. Like, I know, like, every time, like, I know, I feel like, man, I really worked hard today. Whenever we went to when we go to failure, but there's, there's something about that word that we all immediately just like, we just like, kind of like tense up around, like, oh, I got to go to, I got to go to failure.
[00:13:46] Nicole Case: Like, I really have to push myself today. And that, it was. that feels really uncomfortable, especially for people who are super high achieving, super driven, have really high, you know, standards for themselves. So like from the context in the gym, like what does it mean to go to failure at the gym and why, why is that good for us in the gym?
[00:14:07] Nicole Case: Yeah,
[00:14:07] Lindsay Arias: sure. So if you're talking about from like a physiological standpoint, right, we're talking about muscles going to failure or, you know, your, your overall rate of perceived exertion is, um, RPE is a scale that we use to gauge. How hard is an individual working and it's all, you know, relative to the individual, right?
[00:14:25] Lindsay Arias: My, what takes, what it takes to get me to an RPE of 10 is different. What it takes you to get to an RPE of 10 and that's across the board. Um, so physiologically in order for your muscles to get stronger, for your cardiovascular system to improve, you have to go. To a certain RPE. Um, and that's just like a simple scale to you.
[00:14:45] Lindsay Arias: So I'm just for today's podcast, we're going to use RPE, but, um, and it's a scale of one to 10. So our goal as trainers is to get everybody to their 10 on certain workouts. And again, my 10 is different than your 10 different than someone else's 10. And that is the only way that your body is going to see progress when it comes to physiology, when it comes to fitness, right?
[00:15:06] Lindsay Arias: Um, you hear the term, go outside your comfort zone. And like, but. Uncomfortable in your RPE of 10, like there's still a range there, right? Like I'm already uncomfortable, but I'm still not at my 10. And so we have conversations with members about what their goals are, but regardless of the goals, in order to see progress in your strength, your conditioning, all of those things, we have to go to failure and it's such a hard concept to do because from a workout standpoint, people very often either confuse or substitute fatigue for failure.
[00:15:40] Lindsay Arias: And there's a big difference, right? You get tired before you fail. And so because a hundred percent of the people that walk in the gym have goals related to their fitness, they're all different, but they have goals related to fitness. That's why they're there, right? To get them closer to those goals from a physiological standpoint, we take people to failure as often as we can.
[00:16:01] Lindsay Arias: And just to clarify, cause I know there's some fitness people out there listening right now. So, Form failure. So while they're still keeping themselves safe, right? Um, so yes, that's what form is always what we're looking for, but form failure. So failure with good form is how people get stronger. It's just physically how that happens.
[00:16:16] Nicole Case: Yeah, and I love that you said that there's a difference between fatigue and failure. So like, say more about that because I think that's a really important concept for people to wrap their heads around. Cause I know I, I know I feel that way sometimes when I'm at the gym that I'm just like, you know, like I'm going and I'm just like, man, I'm tired.
[00:16:33] Nicole Case: I want to put these down, but that does not mean that like I'm at failure. So, so say, say a little bit more about what the difference there is.
[00:16:40] Lindsay Arias: Sure. Um, to keep it very, very simple, people want to stop when it starts getting uncomfortable. Period. It starts to burn for lack of a letter, a better term. And right.
[00:16:50] Lindsay Arias: So I always put it into perspective like this in the gym. Let's take the same workout that we do in the gym with all the people around you and your trainers. And let's put you in that same scenario in your garage alone, which one are you going to work harder in? And it's the in the gym because someone is asking you to do more than.
[00:17:06] Lindsay Arias: What you would do alone. And that's the difference between, Hey, I'm really tired. This is uncomfortable. It doesn't feel good. So I'm going to stop versus that's usually your marker for like, Hey, you probably have five to 10 more reps. Those are the ones that when you were on your own, you would. Failure means you are giving it everything.
[00:17:26] Lindsay Arias: You've got everything that's inside of you and you are trying, but that weight's just not moving or that reps just not happening. Failure means you can't fatigue means you don't want to. And that's okay to not want to, it's uncomfortable. Nobody wants to do uncomfortable things, but that's the difference.
[00:17:43] Lindsay Arias: Failure is I physically cannot versus I no longer want to do this because it doesn't feel good. Yeah.
[00:17:50] Nicole Case: And I think that is like the perfect segue into every time I hear this at the gym, I'm, I, I'm constantly thinking like, boy, that is so true in life, in our careers, in business, that things feel hard and things feel uncomfortable.
[00:18:06] Nicole Case: In again, in our businesses and in our careers, but that's usually like the moment where if we can like get through that uncomfortableness, that's where the magic tends to happen. So like, how do you believe just that failure in the gym can really translate to not only being able to handle, but also accept.
[00:18:28] Nicole Case: Yeah.
[00:18:28] Lindsay Arias: Outside of the gym. Yeah. Um, so my, my firm belief, and you've probably heard me say this in the gym is that while through all of our workouts and nutritional guidance, we are building muscle and we're building endurance. We're building all these things. We're also building confidence in people. And that is the main by product of what we do in our gym is we are.
[00:18:49] Lindsay Arias: Trying to build people's confidence, because if you have confidence in yourself to try that next set of weights or to try that exercise that you've been scared to do, that confidence will hopefully transcend out into the real world. And so it's my personal belief that a more confident person is better equipped to deal with failure because.
[00:19:10] Lindsay Arias: We're gonna fail, or I hope you guys are, I hope you guys are out there failing all over the place because that means you are trying things that are not inside your comfort zone. You were trying to move the needle on something and I think that's so dang inspiring and people that have the confidence in themselves tend to be better equipped to handle failure because, you know, that that failure is pushing you forward and it is not a reflection of who you are as a person.
[00:19:34] Lindsay Arias: So somebody that fails all the time to me is not. Failure. It means they're trying at something, right? Mm-Hmm. . As long as you are failing forward and as long as you have a, uh, a lesson learned or like a, whether it's good, bad, or indifferent, like, dang, I really shouldn't have done that. So we're not gonna do that.
[00:19:49] Lindsay Arias: Or, Hey, we're on the right track. This way, didn't work, so we're gonna formulate a new path. But for me, confidence is that difference maker. 'cause I know for me, I failed. A million times, a million and one I have failed over the years I've failed in burn. I failed in my marriage. I've failed as a mom in the short two and a half years that I've been a mom, but I can say that with like a smile on my face and with almost like a confidence in about it, because I know I'm confident enough in myself as an individual that everything that I've ever tried to do for the most part has been with the intention of either bettering myself, better the, bettering the people around me or.
[00:20:24] Lindsay Arias: Creating an impact. And so for me, failure just shows that I'm trying, it would be easy for me to sit back and just go through the motions. But that's, I mean, who wants to do that? Not for very long anyways, right? I feel like there's a space for it, but that space, that window is, is finite, at least for me.
[00:20:42] Nicole Case: Yeah, no, I, I totally agree. I think that, you know, there's definitely a season or maybe a day or a moment where the fatigue sets in and you have to listen to your body and say, listen, we're going to set this down for right now. And that's okay. That's that doesn't mean that you don't ever go back to it.
[00:20:58] Nicole Case: Right? Like, I mean, there's days when I'm in the gym that I'm like, you know what? I'm just like, I'm just not feeling it today. Or, you know, I'm not feeling super strong today. And, you know, so then I might back off on my weight and that's okay, but that doesn't mean that tomorrow I'm going to go in and do the same thing.
[00:21:11] Nicole Case: I might, you know, I might feel differently feel differently tomorrow. The other thing that you said about confidence that I, that I absolutely love a lot of my clients will come to me and one of the things they'll say is like, I want more confidence in how I'm showing up in my career and my job for my team.
[00:21:24] Nicole Case: And. The thing is confidence does not, you don't just wake up one day and you're just like, well, I'm confident now, like the confidence comes from doing confidence comes from the act of getting in the arena and showing up, you know, going, showing up to the gym and, and trying, um, and when you put yourself out there in that way to.
[00:21:46] Nicole Case: Continue to build that confidence. There's a risk of yes, of yes, you failing, but the failure is like what you do with a failure is, is where the confidence comes from. Cause it says, yeah, I might fail again tomorrow, but I'm not scared of that. And I'm not going to let that hold me back.
[00:22:06] Lindsay Arias: So what,
[00:22:09] Nicole Case: obviously none of this happens in a vacuum.
[00:22:11] Nicole Case: So like what happens if our failures affect other people? Again, we are, we are, you know, wives and. Moms and friends and bosses and all of these other things like, like our failure sometimes impact other people and that's also really scary for people. So how do you, how do you handle
[00:22:30] Lindsay Arias: that? Yeah, I, um, I think that this is and it could sound maybe a little too black and white to people.
[00:22:36] Lindsay Arias: I'm not sure, but having the right people in your circle is a game changer for that exact scenario because. I, not everybody deserves a seat, a seat at your table. And sometimes that's a really hard pill to swallow. Um, I know that for me, especially in the last couple of years, I've, I've realized that. But I know for me, the people that are in my circle and that's my burn carry and Chapel Hill community.
[00:22:59] Lindsay Arias: That's my family. That's my friends that if. Anything that I have done and fail that has either negatively impact them or whatever, they know me to my core. So they know where those roots are, right? They know that it wasn't that my intention was not to fail them or to negatively impact them because they know who I am at my core.
[00:23:22] Lindsay Arias: I honestly believe that if there is someone in your circle that. One of your failures now becomes their story. I just feel like that might not be the right person to have at your table because they might not understand where you're coming from or what's at your true core or what your, you know, your values are.
[00:23:40] Lindsay Arias: It really does boil down to having the right people. It doesn't mean that it has to be a positive experience. It doesn't mean that, you know, my failures negatively impact someone and they just have to be rainbows and butterflies about it. But To be able to have that conversation and that understanding and the, the vulnerability to talk about those things is only successful if you have the right people in your circle.
[00:24:01] Lindsay Arias: And so build your table accordingly, because you should, in my opinion, I guess I should always follow up with, in my opinion, but you should be able to fail in front of the people that are closest to you with them being able to propel you forward and help you prepare for the because it's coming. It's it should be, it should be coming.
[00:24:22] Lindsay Arias: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
[00:24:23] Nicole Case: And I would say as leaders, we have to demonstrate that vulnerability. We have to demonstrate again, our willingness to put, to get into the arena, to do those things and then be open with, Hey, that didn't work. So, and on that, like if, if the failure hat, you know, especially again, as leaders, a lot of times, like Um, I see this a lot when people kind of like get to this, a really specific level in their careers that they're like, Oh shit, like my, my decisions now are really impacting other people around me.
[00:24:54] Nicole Case: And, and then I see like some hesitation on, on making certain decisions or doing certain things. And. And if you can demonstrate, Hey, listen, we're going to go out here. We're going to try this. And if this doesn't work, we're going to own it and we're going to learn from it. We're going to move forward. If you can create that environment, build that table around you and your team, then you're creating a safe space for, for your team to also make mistakes to fail.
[00:25:22] Nicole Case: But again, that's how, again, that's how we learn. That's how we. That's how we figure out what works and what doesn't. That's like where innovation comes from. Right. That's totally where innovation
[00:25:31] Lindsay Arias: comes from. Trust amongst all parties. You have to trust the people that are in your circle and they have to trust you.
[00:25:37] Lindsay Arias: And because if they don't, then it just looks like missteps for no reason. Right. And so the people that I keep on my circle, I trust and they trust me. Um, funny enough, we just took a, um, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Colby test, but it's basically, yeah. So I just took one for the first time and to point to, for those of you guys that don't know it, basically it puts you into a category of what you are naturally going to do in certain situations has nothing to do with work.
[00:26:03] Lindsay Arias: It's just like, as a person, what is natural to you? And if you think about the people that are like, you know, they point. Or they point, they aim, and then they shoot, or do you just point all the time? Like point, point, point, point, and you don't do anything? I just shoot. Like, I'm the shooter. I'm the like, and Nicole's laughing because she's like, yeah, that's you, right?
[00:26:20] Lindsay Arias: I just shoot. I go for things, but I wasn't always that way. And that doesn't always serve me positively either. Um. That's where some of my failures have come from again, right people, right table, circle of trust. If you will, um, the intentions are clear and the vision is clear. And so it sets sets all of that up for success as a leader and success.
[00:26:41] Lindsay Arias: Meaning people are just there with you. They're following you. They've got you and you've got them. And as long as they know that your failures will be seen as missed opportunities versus just just failure in the negative way that we, we tend to think about it.
[00:26:56] Nicole Case: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, Lindsay, this has been so awesome.
[00:27:00] Nicole Case: Um, thank you so much for, for being here with us and talking us through this. So tell us where can we find you? Where can we learn more about you if we want to keep,
[00:27:10] Lindsay Arias: keep up with you? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. I will, um, I will send you my Instagram handle. I've actually, uh, formulated a new were one, which I've.
[00:27:19] Lindsay Arias: Let die in the last couple of weeks, but I'm back on it. So I promise more content there, but y'all follow my communities, um, on our gym. Instagram. Instagram's a great place for us just because we document all of the things that happen in burn. Um, and if there's a burn near you, a burn boot camp near you, you guys, wherever you are out in the world, um, or at least in the United States for now, um, go find them.
[00:27:40] Lindsay Arias: The community is something like. I've never seen before. Um, and it's, it's pretty, uh, it's, it's life changing. So, um, Instagram is a great place. I would love to hear from you guys. Like I said, I'm a person of connection. So DM me if you're like, Hey, I watched your podcast. I think I would think that was so cool.
[00:27:56] Lindsay Arias: You guys would make me feel like a celebrity. Like that would be just like, would make my day. Um, but yeah, follow us on Instagram, follow me on Instagram, um, and come check us out if you're close by, I would love to see you in the gyms.
[00:28:07] Nicole Case: Yeah. Awesome. And we'll drop all of those handles into the show notes.
[00:28:11] Nicole Case: So everyone will have easy access to all of that. Well, again, Linds, thanks so much for being here. This has been awesome.
[00:28:17] Lindsay Arias: Of course. Thank you, Nicole. I'll see you guys soon. Thanks.
